This is the first episode of a new podcast series exploring the concept of "heroes" and "villains" in society and culture, war and conflict, news and politics, stories and literature, and in history. In this episode our host Charley is joined by guests GEORGE DUTCH (playwright, dramaturge, and actor with a Masters in Cultural Studies) and MARITA SMITH (pediatric nurse and sexual health educator) as they discuss heroes and villains as a social construct, childhood development in understanding the world, putting people on pedestals, and the courageous undoing of classifying others into simple categories.